#14 Endgame Part 3 (Sites Gameplay)

[Hardwell]

XD the defender appearing in all conflict phase is something devs didnt expect.

Trust me @Highway , some server are just questionable server being too active.
Nothing can be done and changed they literally are the cowboys and girls in ds.

Some people just wanna come home from work to play some balanced war and sometimes play as healer most times as drainer. But most time drainers are raided by the defenders in a 1 sided fight.

 

[DarkMyth.]

Spy.

Tell your spy he's got some skill issue

 

[Highway]

Lets keep the good flow of discussion and avoiding to teasing other players (and avoid any spam here please).
I see valid points for both sides and its great that EU1 is up for the challenge to find a way that both sides have fun for the site combat.

It might really be that both sides need to adapt their tactic on how it you can defend (with the reduced repair rate) and the how to attack to gain advantage.

 

[Czarna]

And i disagree your thought about attackers redding gates. Before update defenders and attackers both were able to use non-red gates but now only defenders have that advantage, for some servers i agree that only defenders able to use gates but for eu1, definetly not

You can still travel to and from vulnerable clan-owned sites without the Duelist or Outlaw status. It does mean that after one unsuccessful attack you can regroup in a safe area, wait for your combat status to run out and travel where you need.

All vulnerable sites work exactly like attacked (red) sites in the past with a boost for defenders that enables them to travel regardless of their combat status. Thus, on a server with a very active Town hall travelling between sites is less available in general.

Before the update (during large conflicts) players would often use strategies that led to a similar outcome. Keeping sites red as allied defenders for area control used to be a large part of the game and it was enabled by the maps' linear design. The difference is, the players had to spend their Supplies and be ready to "close Travel Gates" at the right moment to prevent others from accessing the map easily. Now the new game mechanics on active servers changed the maps to be less accessible by default, without requiring any input from players.

Red sites became totally inaccessible to anyone, but there are still some ways to safely get access to a map by using the Teleport Matrix.

 

[Suguygyu]

You can still travel to and from vulnerable clan-owned sites without the Duelist or Outlaw status. It does mean that after one unsuccessful attack you can regroup in a safe area, wait for your combat status to run out and travel where you need.

All vulnerable sites work exactly like attacked (red) sites in the past with a boost for defenders that enables them to travel regardless of their combat status. Thus, on a server with a very active Town hall travelling between sites is less available in general.

Before the update (during large conflicts) players would often use strategies that led to a similar outcome. Keeping sites red as allied defenders for area control used to be a large part of the game and it was enabled by the maps' linear design. The difference is, the players had to spend their Supplies and be ready to "close Travel Gates" at the right moment to prevent others from accessing the map easily. Now the new game mechanics on active servers changed the maps to be less accessible by default, without requiring any input from players.

Red sites became totally inaccessible to anyone, but there are still some ways to safely get access to a map by using the Teleport Matrix.

I think my message that you replied is deleted cause i cant view it, i dont know why or is it just me who cant view it

 

[Hardwell]

Highway said:
We left most of them out as they are not fixed but here are some examples:

• Item to construct map shortcuts
• Item to lure monstrosities to visit a map
• Item to contract pay Outlaw headhunters to protect an area from outlaws on a map
• ...

But dont nail us down on them. Its just some examples that this section could offer for the players to shape the gameworld.


@Highway when can we buy monstrosities and outlaw headhunter as defender from lily store

Lily store only has rex and clothing which is only appealing to people who love fashion , what about those who love war and wanna add some dynamics to war add some monster and outlaw headhunter will make lily store more appealing to more people who loves war.

 

[Hardwell]

If steel legion and DS exist in the same world, using steel legion war machine as miniature turret in dino storm is also a nice touch to make war interesting,

Have some turret available in lily store, make the turret not too broken and not have a lot of hp but it's HP could be recovered if not destroyed... To make people silver crown worth in the lily store

 

[- Cause -]

If steel legion and DS exist in the same world, using steel legion war machine as miniature turret in dino storm is also a nice touch to make war interesting,

Have some turret available in lily store, make the turret not too broken and not have a lot of hp but it's HP could be recovered if not destroyed... To make people silver crown worth in the lily store

PG too. I remember a friend showing me the crashed ship years ago in ccv. Favourite place to levelup after mokon imo. Why not make something out of pg in ds again. Or maybe have ds maps as planets in pg

 

[Rockspider19]

Ally make all buldings 400% and never take buldings great idea

right now everything is basic and you still not taking building.
if excellent buildings were longest to drain when dv releases a gate you have a chance to steal it and bunker down.

 

[Rockspider19]

I understand the most things you mentioned but I'm curious about your enemy having a Tank Dino and Agi being a problem. Don't you have any ally clan that has a Pachy and Hammer/SS you can give ep to delay(and damage by SS) the attacker? Cause afaik they will still be paralyzed for 6 sec if they got hit by the Pachy ep EVEN wearing Heat Imp.

did you miss the step where i said 'ignore all fighting' because pachy cant do anything if you dont charge its extra power. and our ally all run rex ... but still pachy is a weaker dino and brachi can kill it pretty quickly if they decide.

 

[Rockspider19]

I don't think players should be able to upgrade buildings higher than their ranger level.

 

[Rockspider19]

I understand the most things you mentioned but I'm curious about your enemy having a Tank Dino and Agi being a problem. Don't you have any ally clan that has a Pachy and Hammer/SS you can give ep to delay(and damage by SS) the attacker? Cause afaik they will still be paralyzed for 6 sec if they got hit by the Pachy ep EVEN wearing Heat Imp.

also to add more the easy target effect from pachy is not long enough to be meaningful. you'll still need to out number the enemy by a large margin because brachi is a chunk of meat that wont die fast and even if you kill it you need to kill all the enemy brachi in the circle beacuse having even 1 enemy in the circle drains the gate. EVEN IF YOU KILL THEM THEY JUST RESPAWN AT THE DV GATE AND RUN BACK TO DRAIN AGAIN. plus charging an ally pachy does damage to the pachy so enemies can just kill it. and if you dont have allies? you are just stuck their to deal with the chunks of meat draining the tower.

 

[..Arcadius..]

@Highway So in what way is the-20 drain and +5 repair fair? Attackers can already take a 400% gate within 2 minutes which isn't enough for the clan holding a gate to react. At least +15 repair, defenders were able to win themselves some time by staying near the gate while attempting to defeat attackers.

Now you can just see 3-4 people with full tank builds just sitting at a random gate and not even fighting back.

 

[Nomad]

@Highway Only few tank build brachs can easily take gates in 1-2 minutes on eu1, and we cant do anything against them because we only able to repair gates +5. Those attackers do not attacking to us and our extra power is not charged and we cannot do anything.

 

[S19]

tell me how to take with 3-4 ppl today 20+ fekete online

@Highway

what is this nonsense?

I dont even play eu1, and now you're breaking the repair rate that was good (15 points repair) in favor of 3 player from a server ?

you're basically neglecting the defence on other server just for 1?

how does it make sense

 

[..Arcadius..]

tell me how to take with 3-4 ppl today 20+ fekete online

By spamming tanks and not fighting back apparently.

 

[..Arcadius..]

@Highway I believe you can somehow test it yourself if you'd like to. Even 15 defenders can't beat 5 attackers on tanks during that time margin.

 

[DarkMyth.]

Yep 4ppl 100%

doesn't look like 20 to me either, so u're lying here on the forum by saying u have 20 players attacking?

 

[..Arcadius..]

Yep 4ppl 100%

Nice 20

 

[DarkMyth.]

As You said attacking not waiting in dv

Stop lying to yourself and to everyone here for the love of god

 

[..Arcadius..]

tell me how to take with 3-4 ppl today 20+ fekete online

Believe me if you had 20, you'd have a map by now.

 

[S4TW]

@Highway tell me how do you expect a fair game with 4-5 even 7 attackers on brachios draining an excellent gate and even tho they're being attacked by 15+ PPL it's hard to kill tanks just like that, not to mention the +5 repair rate vs -20 draining rate which in my opinion shouldn't be tested on a live server in the first place.

 

[Queenie]

@Highway (apologies for the ping but i do want you to see this opinion and also others)
I agree with others that this isn't balanced at all. Yes, attackers had it harder before, but this isn't about even strategy or skills anymore. As many people said, it takes just brachis camping at a gate because they can drain the gate faster than we can even heal it with the +5. If it would be fair, then -20 and +10/15 would be fine. Not to mention the gates' hp too low as well.

 

[NazzaFire]

@Highway tell me how do you expect a fair game with 4-5 even 7 attackers on brachios draining an excellent gate and even tho they're being attacked by 15+ PPL it's hard to kill tanks just like that, not to mention the +5 repair rate vs -20 draining rate which in my opinion shouldn't be tested on a live server in the first place.

If you reread what you said, you understand why this is right lol

 

[piotr50000009]

If you reread what you said, you understand why this is right lol

Clanless..

 

[piotr50000009]

Goofiness aside,

Brachis seem to be quite the issue, even if defenders are at the gate already the attackers can still drain it in time if it's high % and defenders cant defend themselves because it takes way too much time to kill those brachis

Tldr before you kill all brachis the gate is already drained (Plus they can just kit (if anyone still does that '-'))

 

[S4TW]

Goofiness aside,

Brachis seem to be quite the issue, even if defenders are at the gate already the attackers can still drain it in time if it's high % and defenders cant defend themselves because it takes way too much time to kill those brachis

Tldr before you kill all brachis the gate is already drained (Plus they can just kit (if anyone still does that '-'))

They use brachios, rush on a gate, heal and use the ''Chest attack'' on extra power - not to mention the implants that they use. They also do use kits which makes it way more difficult even tho kits are nerfed now.

 

[piotr50000009]

They use brachios, rush on a gate, heal and use the ''Chest attack'' on extra power - not to mention the implants that they use. They also do use kits which makes it way more difficult even tho kits are nerfed now.

Yes but even if defender is on a gate already it's still impossible to defend it if there's too many, even number advantage doesn't help

 

[S4TW]

Yes but even if defender is on a gate already it's still impossible to defend it if there's too many, even number advantage doesn't help

Especially with the healing rate they added on Eu_1 which is just +5, in that case there's no chances of protecting the gates even against few attackers.

 

[..Arcadius..]

Definitely balanced.