#14 Endgame Part 3 (Sites Gameplay)

[Czarna]

- A big amount of fame that can be stolen by the attacker as a big reward for the sucessfull attack.

If you drain a building that is filled with fame, all of the fame gets lost. Fame could stay in buildings even after they get down to 0%. This would on the other hand, give a huge edge to the people with autoclickers.
But being able to hold a camp for a day after succesfully taking it over isn't that bad of a concept.

- More difficult to defend if you have many buildings and easier to attack as you can choose between all buildings.

I don't see how 4 hours of work per day could be more difficult than what we have right now. There are people that can easily spend 8 hours daily on their attacks for multiple weeks. Pushing difficulty might also have a harmful effect on the game. The game should feel fun to everyone above everything else.

- Reduce the aspects of multi accounts & sharing to be online every hour.

How does this get solved? From my point of view, the people that won't be able to attend the 4 hour transfer phase will in a way be "forced" to share their accounts with others (to prove that they are useful to their clan etc.). And people will still be able to open multiple accounts on their machine (or multiple machines) to take advantage of draining/defending multiple camp sites at the same time. And that exploit will be rewarded a bit more than it is curently.

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

I think 4 hours of war time is perfect to gain massive rewards for the day for players who try. Its perfect for small clans because a time alloted for war is worth it than fighting whole day against big clans and being able to steal less fame compared to being able to steal ton of fame during the 4 hour phase which gives a challenge to both sides equally.

 

[Hardwell]

If you drain a building that is filled with fame, all of the fame gets lost. Fame could stay in buildings even after they get down to 0%. This would on the other hand, give a huge edge to the people with autoclickers.
But being able to hold a camp for a day after succesfully taking it over isn't that bad of a concept.



I don't see how 4 hours of work per day could be more difficult than what we have right now. There are people that can easily spend 8 hours daily on their attacks for multiple weeks. Pushing difficulty might also have a harmful effect on the game. The game should feel fun to everyone above everything else.



How does this get solved? From my point of view, the people that won't be able to attend the 4 hour transfer phase will in a way be "forced" to share their accounts with others (to prove that they are useful to their clan etc.). And people will still be able to open multiple accounts on their machine (or multiple machines) to take advantage of draining/defending multiple camp sites at the same time. And that exploit will be rewarded a bit more than it is curently.

The devs don't know the main issue is the no lifers vs people with social life..

There are people who treat this game as career and as life and people who just finish their work or studies and want to play the game for fun.

People who just play for fun wanna have some fun and do some fun drain and war. But those who live in the game and take the game like career will be like Red Gate Red gate!!! Gather all the alliances I need 10 people online right now ! Make those people having fun give up. Like people force themselves to defend and game just don't feel natural anymore..

Soo devs you guys have no idea how ready and full prepared these Ds career workers will be for the casual player to drain.....it's scary the number of people they bring on

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

The devs don't know the main issue is the no lifers vs people with social life..

There are people who treat this game as career and as life and people who just finish their work or studies and want to play the game for fun.

People who just play for fun wanna have some fun and do some fun drain and war. But those who live in the game and take the game like career will be like Red Gate Red gate!!! Gather all the alliances I need 10 people online right now ! Make those people having fun give up. Like people force themselves to defend and game just don't feel natural anymore..

Soo devs you guys have no idea how ready and full prepared these Ds career workers will be for the casual player to drain.....it's scary the number of people they bring on

That's why 4 hours of war time is a good concept lol

 

[Hardwell]

That's why 4 hours of war time is a good concept lol

Ye.. the Ds career players will now needed to pick wisely which server to play on no longer have chance to call other server for help

 

[Alewx]

I don't see how 4 hours of work per day could be more difficult than what we have right now. There are people that can easily spend 8 hours daily on their attacks for multiple weeks. Pushing difficulty might also have a harmful effect on the game. The game should feel fun to everyone above everything else.

focusing is the keyword there, it is simply a difference if you have to take care of single rare apperances over the whole day compared to when the whole freaking server is after you in just this limited timeframe.

 

[Highway]

Will the claim site gameplay the devs talked be out of this 4hr transfer phase?

No as the gameplay will be more open for that what is planned for the claims. Offering more openings to raid fame items. But I dont want to give to much detail now so that we can keep at the topic right now.

 

[slejd2001]

If you drain a building that is filled with fame, all of the fame gets lost. Fame could stay in buildings even after they get down to 0%.

Actually I think fame won't disappear and would be transfered automatically

Gather all the alliances I need 10 people online right now ! Make those people having fun give up. Like people force themselves to defend and game just don't feel natural anymore..

Who forces them to come lol, only as you say career player would force another career player. If somebody doesn't like something then eventually gonna leave the clan or even ally, specially after getting elections. You talk like those 10 people would have to come or die irl.

Ye.. the Ds career players will now needed to pick wisely which server to play on no longer have chance to call other server for help

Is it a problem?

 

[slejd2001]

Fame from sites would be transferred only after transfer phase is over or any time new item is generated?

 

[Alewx]

Fame from sites would be transferred only after transfer phase is over or any time new item is generated?

the items would be transfered into clan inventory once the phase ended and new items would get procuded. The moment when the phase ends would be the marking point.

 

[Czarna]

focusing is the keyword there, it is simply a difference if you have to take care of single rare apperances over the whole day compared to when the whole freaking server is after you in just this limited timeframe.

I would really love to be able to agree with you here, but I have genuinely been in situations where defenders were forced to take shifts protecting camps because of accounts that were attacking for 12 hours straight with almost 0 breaks.

 

[slejd2001]

Someone had asked how clan managers would decide who and how much fame should get for getting sites. I have suggestion that you could add draining and defending points instead of supply points, also some kind of points for increasing yields for the sites. It would help see who was the most useful in the attacks and defense, also I think their reset should be kept.

 

[Alewx]

I would really love to be able to agree with you here, but I have genuinely been in situations where defenders were forced to take shifts protecting camps because of accounts that were attacking for 12 hours straight with almost 0 breaks.

I would assume that is rather the exception than the norm?

 

[Czarna]

I would assume that is rather the exception than the norm?

Depends, there are times of extended peace and times of tough wars and battles. There can be weeks were virtually no attacks happen and weeks when maps are covered in red for most of the day. This cycle of peace and attacks is often influenced by many things outside of the gameplay itself - it could be a topic for a whole another discussion. I imagine it wouldn't change unless the new players are taught more about the camp sites and their importance by the game.

The new players don't participate in wars a lot on their own because the game doesn't do the greatest job at teaching them about it. If they do attack by accident or to try out this new item that they received from daily rewards, they will be surprised with a huge response from the defending clan. Some are lucky to get accepted into a clan and have everything explained to them, but some for sure don't have that luxury.

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

Depends, there are times of extended peace and times of tough wars and battles. There can be weeks were virtually no attacks happen and weeks when maps are covered in red for most of the day. This cycle of peace and attacks is often influenced by many things outside of the gameplay itself - it could be a topic for a whole another discussion. I imagine it wouldn't change unless the new players are taught more about the camp sites and their importance by the game.

The new players don't participate in wars a lot on their own because the game doesn't do the greatest job at teaching them about it. If they do attack by accident or to try out this new item that they received from daily rewards, they will be surprised with a huge response from the defending clan. Some are lucky to get accepted into a clan and have everything explained to them, but some for sure don't have that luxury.

Why do players drain camps thingy is already explained in the game when they click on read more in the gates/claims for newbies lol maybe they have to add more information on it so that newbies understand the importance of the camps

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

Depends, there are times of extended peace and times of tough wars and battles. There can be weeks were virtually no attacks happen and weeks when maps are covered in red for most of the day. This cycle of peace and attacks is often influenced by many things outside of the gameplay itself - it could be a topic for a whole another discussion. I imagine it wouldn't change unless the new players are taught more about the camp sites and their importance by the game.

The new players don't participate in wars a lot on their own because the game doesn't do the greatest job at teaching them about it. If they do attack by accident or to try out this new item that they received from daily rewards, they will be surprised with a huge response from the defending clan. Some are lucky to get accepted into a clan and have everything explained to them, but some for sure don't have that luxury.

That depends on the attackers and their goals for their clans lol they can plan and attack when they feel is right moment, defenders job is to be on the lookout not define when an attacker should attack or not. At least now we share a common time of 4 hours war on both sides.

 

[Czarna]

Why do players drain camps thingy is already explained in the game when they click on read more in the gates/claims for newbies lol maybe they have to add more information on it so that newbies understand the importance of the camps

Or maybe (crazy idea) instead of having a drinking water quest inside of Dinoville Canyon we could have a dummy claim that will be attacked by a player and then defended from a bandit with clear explanation that this is a key part of the game (or at least the PVP side, it's still technically possible to go full PVE).

 

[Alewx]

Or maybe (crazy idea) instead of having a drinking water quest inside of Dinoville Canyon we could have a dummy claim that will be attacked by a player and then defended from a bandit with clear explanation that this is a key part of the game (or at least the PVP side, it's still technically possible to go full PVE).

you talk about step 3 in the game, with the utter most basic interaction things the game has, that is a whole over level even playingfield than claims and travelgates.

 

[Czarna]

you talk about step 3 in the game, with the utter most basic interaction things the game has, that is a whole over level even playingfield than claims and travelgates.

I don't really understand the second part of this sentence, but what I meant to say was: it would be really nice to see a new optional introductory quest that would make the new players interact with a gate. A fake gate, a dummy - not owned by anyone, possibly spawned just like the fishing nets in Dinoville, just for this one quest.

 

[Alewx]

I don't really understand the second part of this sentence, but what I meant to say was: it would be really nice to see a new optional introductory quest that would make the new players interact with a gate. A fake gate, a dummy - not owned by anyone, possibly spawned just like the fishing nets in Dinoville, just for this one quest.

these quests you just spoke about are actual tutorial stuff level 1 things basics of the game, attacking the buildings is something for players that are far more into the game at around level 10-15 where they might get introduced to it.

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

these quests you just spoke about are actual tutorial stuff level 1 things basics of the game, attacking the buildings is something for players that are far more into the game at around level 10-15 where they might get introduced to it.

So maybe you could make a quest related to attacking buildings at 10-15 levels at least so that newbies understand why it's valuable and the importance of it.

 

[Galaxy]

So maybe you could make a quest related to attacking buildings at 10-15 levels at least so that newbies understand why it's valuable and the importance of it.

the game barely has newbies

 

[Galaxy]

Ok right now the point that seemed to be not liked that much is the 4 hour transfer phase every 24 ours.

Here are some points we wanted to achieve with it:
- A big amount of fame that can be stolen by the attacker as a big reward for the sucessfull attack.
- More difficult to defend if you have many buildings and easier to attack as you can choose between all buildings.
- Event character each day to fight for the buildings where people usually have time to be there and not sleep, work, study.
- Reduce the aspects of multi accounts & sharing to be online every hour.

You might have alternative ideas to solve it?

Is it not possible to have this update but without the 4 hour attack limit part per day?

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

Is it not possible to have this update but without the 4 hour attack limit part per day?

It's pointless to attack buildings only to lose after a few minutes against allied clans for a few fame so 4 hour limit balances out both sides.

 

[Czarna]

these quests you just spoke about are actual tutorial stuff level 1 things basics of the game, attacking the buildings is something for players that are far more into the game at around level 10-15 where they might get introduced to it.

Canyon as the tutorial area would be a great place to introduce the ideas behind this game. To show the new players a reason why they might wanna level up, the aspects of the gameplay. After the quest is done, show a cutscene with players fighting over a gate, saying that they improve their characters for a better fighting chance at getting fame. Lead them to discover the town hall.
After the basic tutorial in Canyon is over, players can be lost and confused. The game only showed them to do missions - but what is the reason behind that? To learn about the game, they need to go visit all the buildings and read all the descriptions one by one without any real incentive.

 

[Galaxy]

It's pointless to attack buildings only to lose after a few minutes against allied clans for a few fame so 4 hour limit balances out both sides.

I don't know where you see balance in facing an entire alliance at peak time

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

I don't know where you see balance in facing an entire alliance at peak time

Let's assume there isn't any time limit, which means gates will be attacked 24/7 let's say small clans holds gate for 5 hours in the day and alliance come in evening they take everything back. They will still enjoy 19 hours of fame lol.
24 hours of fame > 19 hours of fame (an example) hence, we need 4 hours of war time cuz even if we win ONE GATE during those 4 hours, WE GET TO KEEP 24 HOURS WORTH OF FAME! So yes, it's perfect.

 

[Hardwell]

I don't know where you see balance in facing an entire alliance at peak time

And it is 4hr the devs didn't say we must Launch attack at the very first hour we could wait to attack after 1.5 hours or maybe even wait till the 3rd hour too attack so there is still some form of element of surprise I guess..

 

[Galaxy]

Let's assume there isn't any time limit, which means gates will be attacked 24/7 let's say small clans holds gate for 5 hours in the day and alliance come in evening they take everything back. They will still enjoy 19 hours of fame lol.
24 hours of fame > 19 hours of fame (an example) hence, we need 4 hours of war time cuz even if we win ONE GATE during those 4 hours, WE GET TO KEEP 24 HOURS WORTH OF FAME! So yes, it's perfect.

without the 4h limit, attackers could gather fame, just from robberies, without the need to maintain portals

 

[TheDinoWarrior]

without the 4h limit, attackers could gather fame, just from robberies, without the need to maintain portals

Stealing 24 hour of fame > stealing fame of few hours or less (bro I already explained above that attacking for few hours of fame a day is useless cuz in evening they come and take it and enjoy more fame than us so why not both sides fight for 24 hours worth of fame and they won't be able to attack for 20 hours if small clans win so maintaing portal is not a thing actually.