#14 Endgame Part 3 (Sites Gameplay)

[Czarna]

Attacking Phase will change back to 20:00 - 22:00 or will they stay the same at 21:00 - 23:00?

!?!? When they changed it?

This has happened on Eu servers due to daylight savings time / summer time. Regions that use DST set their clocks forward by one hour in spring and back by one hour in autumn. In Europe the change happens on the last Sunday of March and October.

 

[yewhuiyuan]

This has happened on Eu servers due to daylight savings time / summer time. Regions that use DST set their clocks forward by one hour in spring and back by one hour in autumn. In Europe the change happens on the last Sunday of March and October.

Damn eu server fr troublesome none drain them now they gotta change their conflict phase to suit their timezones....

 

[pauline]

I hear from lower level players who are walking maps for unlocking buildings, they can not unlock claims. Why is that?

 

[Luka Patajac]

Guess devs made a bug for dv owned builds?

 

[Alewx]

Attacking Phase will change back to 20:00 - 22:00 or will they stay the same at 21:00 - 23:00?

That was not intentionally, that is due to the european start of daylight saving time.

 

[- Cause -]

That was not intentionally, that is due to the european start of daylight saving time.

makes sense

 

[Suguygyu]

I wonder what happens if they switch protected and vulnerable phase times, making it 2 hour protected and 22 hour vulnerable

 

[Targaryen]

So far I have not been able to attack any portal, as it is available once a day, for Brazilians who play it is only available at a very early morning time (8am) (Asia)

 

[istencsaszar]

I finally tried this update with my clan (8-10 high level players). My expectations for it were low already, but boy this was underwhelming. What this update promised was a way for small clans to get a chance. Instead they got limited by the game in every way imaginable, and get steamrolled by alliances who don't even have to think strategically, just stand at the 2 (sometimes 1) entryways to the map and spawnkill every attacker. They also didn't get any restrictions that would make defending more inconvenient than before.

Let's list the limitations small clans face from this update that was intended to "help" them:

1. - The most obvious is the time limit. One of the main ways small clans succeeded before was through unrelenting night attacks or surprise attacks in unexpected times of the day. This wore down the larger clans and made their players more reluctant to fight. This got taken from us.
2. - Limiting where to spawn, in my opinion this is the biggest fault of the update. On a populated server there will be 1 or 2 spawnpoints on every map. This means that enemies concentrate at those gates with 10-20 or even more players in some cases at EVERY SINGLE ONE of the spawn gates. Even if there is only a few players at those gates(very rare occasion), reinforcements are alarmed by the guards immediatetly and swarm there while the guards are being killed by the attackers. The number of dv held gates being calculated from townhall activity amplifies this effect exponentially, the biggest alliances have the easiest time defending.
3. - Increased drain time. 10 minutes for draining a site was perfect, sometimes even enough to capture a site during a surprise attack. With a 50% time increase this is no more. Arguably, the longer time to heal towers would counterbalance this, but once the attackers are killed (remember, small clans can only afford 1-2 attackers per gate), the large alliance can place alt accounts to heal the sites, and still congragate at the respawn gates held by dv. This means there is no way to get back to the sites once they are cleared by the defenders, and non-duelist attackers can't even teleport in to clear off the repairing players.
4. - Elimination of any and all strategic gameplay. This is the ultimate effect of all the formerly mentioned implementations. When and where you attack is absolutely crucial to be successful in even being an annoyance to big alliances, let alone succeeding in taking over maps. Now deciding both factors are restricted, and predictability is the death of strategy. Implementing the old maps for this update would make more sense, but the spawnkilling issue still wouldn't be solved by this.
5. - Travel sickness. A pointless but fun part of the game was to steal sites, guess the devs don't like fun.

Limitations defenders face:

 

[Pleiadian]

@Highway

I don't know by which thought process the Dev team operate, but when you have majority of the community complaining about a change that everyone wasn't so keen on, it was simply too ridiculous to continue with that same type of mindset.

Just take a look, at every single page of this thread, you have at least one person who will always ask about the same topic again and again— Bring Back The Old Maps.

Literally, most of our problems from the previous state of the game were due to the maps. And many players have complained about it, but you simply discarded it for whatever reason.

Instead of introducing Jump Links that does not solve anything, It would have been better to spend those last 3 year's effort on re-working the map.

I am just saying, slapping some Jump Links over this problem, doesn't provide any real solutions, neither does ignoring complaints of the community where we are saying to redesigning it to make it more open— the gameplay is still linear at the end of the day with the Jump Links.

 

[noam_ido]

Make a poll and see that people will vote to revert this update + bring back the old maps

 

[Sunshine..]

If you go back to the first pages of this topic, you will see that the majority of comments were against several aspects of this update, mainly in having a specific time to attack and defense.
I can't understand why they went ahead with this idea.

 

[Highway]

Update is dropping tomorrow that hopefully should help to improve things:

Game Update April 4, 2024

Game Update April 4, 2024 Around 8:30 AM UTC+2, game servers will restart for a game update to be deployed. :!: Important: Conflict Phase scheduling is still being evaluated; no changes to schedule with this update. As we had outlined in its changelog, we launched the Endgame Part 3 Update...

forum.dinostorm.com

The alternative PVE/PVP channel to gain fame items sadly is not ready yet to be included, but will be deployed next week.

 

[Rockspider19]

What was the idea behind the protection phase?

Because all it is doing is just killing the game. The event is still active and servers are dead again because most finished and are playing other games.

At this rate, the next update is going to give the mobs protection too.

People that are active all day but are unable to be active during the conflict phases due to time zones or IRL stuff have zero chance at playing the game if their intention is to win fame and elections, so these players just gave up on the game completely and have moved on to better games.

Conversely, people that are inactive all day but are able to log in during the conflict phase dominate servers. This is completely unfair because these players would never be able to hold anything otherwise if it was not for the protection phase.

PvP outside of the conflict phase is also pointless since there are no gates to defend. You can just hunt with protection and ignore PvP completely.

All these updates and weird ideas and changes you are planning will not help/improve the game in any way.

If you intend on improving the game at all, you can start by removing the protection phase completely.

The theme of the game is the lawless old west with dinosaurs, but right now it has evolved into this weird single-player game that's just boring and occasionally has PvP for 1hr.

 

[Sunshine..]

Update is dropping tomorrow that hopefully should help to improve things:

Game Update April 4, 2024

Game Update April 4, 2024 Around 8:30 AM UTC+2, game servers will restart for a game update to be deployed. :!: Important: Conflict Phase scheduling is still being evaluated; no changes to schedule with this update. As we had outlined in its changelog, we launched the Endgame Part 3 Update...

forum.dinostorm.com

The alternative PVE/PVP channel to gain fame items sadly is not ready yet to be included, but will be deployed next week.

Could you explain what this new alternative pvp mechanic will be like?
so players could draw conclusions as to whether it will work or the devs are wasting time

 

[Highway]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not make it into tomorrow's update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect.
  • This means that less fame is produced in the site itself (just as much as Travel Gates are producing), but if a little time is invested into mining the Chunks of Gold Ore in the direct vicinity of the site, a lot more fame can be earned.

 

[yewhuiyuan]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not made it into tomorrows update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Claims now produce medals like the travel gates that clans can collect from buildings.

Ahh shii those no lifers be multing and protecting those ore like their life

 

[Luka Patajac]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not make it into tomorrow's update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect.
  • This means that less fame is produced in the site itself (just as much as Travel Gates are producing), but if a little time is invested into mining the Chunks of Gold Ore in the direct vicinity of the site, a lot more fame can be earned.

So if one player farms specific chunk does that mean no other player will be able to mine that exact chunk at same time?

How many chunk ores would you plan per each claim?

Would said chunks disappear after certain amount of mining or does mining stop for player after they filled their inventory?

 

[nyssa]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not make it into tomorrow's update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect.
  • This means that less fame is produced in the site itself (just as much as Travel Gates are producing), but if a little time is invested into mining the Chunks of Gold Ore in the direct vicinity of the site, a lot more fame can be earned.

How, exactly, does this benefit the bigger clans (game's main source of income) that regularly drain/maintain a good number of claim sites? It sounds like it'll be easier to just camp the mines and forget the rest, and where's the fun in that?

 

[Highway]

So if one player farms specific chunk does that mean no other player will be able to mine that exact chunk at same time?

How many chunk ores would you plan per each claim?

Would said chunks disappear after certain amount of mining or does mining stop for player after they filled their inventory?

Yes that is correct. The player that started the mining first will get the contents of it. Attacking a player will abort the mining though. Same as when collecting items.

Spawned gold rocks are random between all claims on a map and will spawn ~6 items every ~3 minutes. Spawn interval will also adjusted by the townhall activity in the same way as available buildings too keep fame channels consistent to each other. These numbers are the initial values and most likely might change.

Gold rocks are despawned after a time when they are not collected or after a player has mined them.

How, exactly, does this benefit the bigger clans (game's main source of income) that regularly drain/maintain a good number of claim sites? It sounds like it'll be easier to just camp the mines and forget the rest, and where's the fun in that?

Each fame channel will be balanced against each other to stay relevant. That also includes frame from clothing/skins.

 

[S4TW]

Update is dropping tomorrow that hopefully should help to improve things:

Game Update April 4, 2024

Game Update April 4, 2024 Around 8:30 AM UTC+2, game servers will restart for a game update to be deployed. :!: Important: Conflict Phase scheduling is still being evaluated; no changes to schedule with this update. As we had outlined in its changelog, we launched the Endgame Part 3 Update...

forum.dinostorm.com

The alternative PVE/PVP channel to gain fame items sadly is not ready yet to be included, but will be deployed next week.

@Highway How does this improve the game exactly?

 

[nyssa]

Yes that is correct. The player that started the mining first will get the contents of it. Attacking a player will abort the mining though. Same as when collecting items.

Spawned gold rocks are random between all claims on a map and will spawn ~6 items every ~3 minutes. Spawn interval will also adjusted by the townhall activity in the same way as available buildings too keep fame channels consistent to each other. These numbers are the initial values and most likely might change.

Gold rocks are despawned after a time when they are not collected or after a player has mined them.



Each fame channel will be balanced against each other to stay relevant. That also includes frame from clothing/skins.

In this case, wouldn't it be better if the mining feature only occurred during attack hours? Staying glued to the mines 24/7 can't possibly be sustainable for anyone, both in attack and defense.

 

[Czarna]

Each fame channel will be balanced against each other to stay relevant. That also includes frame from clothing/skins.

Initial impression: this new proposed activity seems impossible to balance against the two other means of gaining fame.

• Combat fame: can be only farmed for an hour daily. Players that join the game for 2 hours and players that are active for 12 hours daily gain a similar amount of fame.
• Site fame: after the recent changes it is obtained after 2 hours of work of your whole group. Theoretically, large clans collect a large number of sites, while smaller ones may gain control over a couple of them. The site fame is then shared across many clan members (either it gets shared every day equally or over time, i.e. player X gains fame this month, and player Y the next month). Players that join the game for 2 hours and players that are active for 12 hours daily still gain a similar amount of fame (over time).
• Ore mining: the player that is active the most wins. That's it, simple as that. The more time you can spend safely mining ores, the more fame you gain at the end of the day. Players that exploit the game using multi accounts could log during the night while the activity is low and simultaneously mine ores across multiple servers. Meanwhile others that are active on multiple servers, but not using multi-accounts would be semi-forced to give up on the other servers and focus on one.

 

[Suguygyu]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not make it into tomorrow's update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect.
  • This means that less fame is produced in the site itself (just as much as Travel Gates are producing), but if a little time is invested into mining the Chunks of Gold Ore in the direct vicinity of the site, a lot more fame can be earned.

I believe this update will work on low populated servers like the server i am playing. Small groups that are not part of big alliance now can have pieace of fame cake.

Since no one will camp mines in low populated servers, players will be able to get fame according to their efforts in a day.

 

[Pleiadian]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not make it into tomorrow's update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect.
  • This means that less fame is produced in the site itself (just as much as Travel Gates are producing), but if a little time is invested into mining the Chunks of Gold Ore in the direct vicinity of the site, a lot more fame can be earned.

At first read, this idea has the potential to increase the game activity, assuming that it is possible to mine all hours, and depending on the value of the fame you set, players may find this attractive. The outcome may increase the overall activity in the game during protected hours. Another likely outcome would be that, if there are a lot of players who are eventually mining, then it may motivate them to join the Town Hall, which would result in an increased activity overall in terms of elections.

If we have the possibility of mining all hours, then the enemy clans that don't hold towers, have the possibility to mine those ore, in a way, that would be also an option for them.

Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them.

To be constantly required to interact with the mine is a good precaution against players who might farm those ores while AFK or with Multi-account.

Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect

So, it mean that the output value from a Claim will be close to or similar to a Travel Gate?

 

[Pleiadian]

Ore mining: the player that is active the most wins. That's it, simple as that. The more time you can spend safely mining ores, the more fame you gain at the end of the day.

Player's being active is a negative thing?

Since, there will be a limit on the ore quantity that can be mined.

Gold rocks are despawned after a time when they are not collected or after a player has mined them.

 

[Sunshine..]

Here is the prepared WIP changelog for next week that did not make it into tomorrow's update:

Bountiful Claims · New Fame Channel for User PVE & PvP!

• Chunks of Gold Ore are now spawning next to Claim sites. These chunks can be mined by all players, as long as they are not using PvP Protection.
  • Mining chunks requires players to have the "Duelist" or "Outlaw" status. If you attempt to mine a Chunk of Gold Ore without having a PvP status yet, you will be greeted with the usual PvP action confirmation window.
  • Mining chunks is achieved simply by interacting with them. Mining a chunk will produce one of the following fame items:
    • Gold Tinsel
    • Gold Nugget
  • Fame items that are obtained by mining Chunks of Gold Ore go directly to the inventory of the player mining the chunk.
• Claim sites can be operated by clans just like before; fame item output is in no way connected to the spawning of Chunks of Gold Ore.
• Like Travel Gates, Claims now produce Standard, Advanced and Elite Medals that clans can collect.
  • This means that less fame is produced in the site itself (just as much as Travel Gates are producing), but if a little time is invested into mining the Chunks of Gold Ore in the direct vicinity of the site, a lot more fame can be earned.

in short, the new mechanic is to stand near the mine, collecting fame?

 

[Highway]

So, it mean that the output value from a Claim will be close to or similar to a Travel Gate?

Yes a claim will be produce the same medals and quantity as travel gates. But you have the extra benefit that gold rocks can be mined close by. Theoretically if you mine all the ores spawned in the 2 hours you would get more fame than before on a claim.

 

[Czarna]

Player's being active is a negative thing?

Since, there will be a limit on the ore quantity that can be mined.

Not necessarily but I don't see how it will be balanced when other means of collecting fame are much more limited. Why is combat fame from clothing only obtainable during one hour? If you could farm combat fame all day, it would come down to the same result as this ore mining, and yet devs have decided that limiting it was the way to move forward.

To be constantly required to interact with the mine is a good precaution against players who might farm those ores while AFK or with Multi-account.

If it is similar to some of the quests we already have in the game, it could get automated. It's not that uncommon for players to automate repetitive mouse clicks, e.g. sending fame. But after the increase of value for fame items, the usage of those programs probably decreased.

 

[Highway]

in short, the new mechanic is to stand near the mine, collecting fame?

Close to that and very similar to the gameplay before the update only that it goes to the player instead of a clan. Its the variant that is fairly easier to imlement. We had a more complex idea planned that we can use to expand it.