Feedback Thread · Endgame Part 3 Open PTR Test

[-Kiwi-]

can i ask how dv holding gates is beneficial to any party? its a lose lose situation,with this update you are trying to destroy the monoply of big clans and give more to smaller clans,how can the amount of gates available benefit small clans? even more big clans will then take more of the gates and small clans will be left with nothing cuz now big clans wouldnt want to share the gates and monopolize them instead since dv can now take them?

 

[mogamers.yt]

As i see in the ptr , making dv hold most of the maps according to town hall will affect negatively to the small clans especially clans in the less active servers that will harm both defenders and attackers so i think maybe dv can hold 3-4 gates per map +the idea of letting dv hold most of the maps became far away from the idea of helping small clans to get elections and gates

 

[-Kiwi-]

As i see in the ptr , making dv hold most of the maps according to town hall will affect negatively to the small clans especially clans in the less active servers that will harm both defenders and attackers so i think maybe dv can hold 3-4 gates per map +the idea of letting dv hold most of the maps became far away from the idea of helping small clans to get elections and gates

what is the point of even letting dv have any gates? i dont get the point its lose lose for everyone involved

 

[Pleiadian]

what is the point of even letting dv have any gates? i dont get the point its lose lose for everyone involved

The idea is to not drain a gate without a fight.

But now with the situation in PTR, the aggressive way that there are barely 4 towers in each maps to fight for, now we will fight more than we drain. Speaking from an attacker's perspective.

The idea itself is good. But the fact that we're about to lose half map is the deal breaker. There should be a balance.

 

[-Kiwi-]

The idea is to not drain a gate without a fight.

But now with the situation in PTR, the aggressive way that there are barely 4 towers in each maps to fight for, now we will fight more than we drain. Speaking from an attacker's perspective.

The idea itself is good. But the fact that we're about to lose half map is the deal breaker. There should be a balance.

fighting over gates=content,less gates=less content less gates=less for smaller clans,big clans will be annoyed but not give much of a sht cuz they have the power to just hold all the remaining ones

 

[-Kiwi-]

The idea is to not drain a gate without a fight.

But now with the situation in PTR, the aggressive way that there are barely 4 towers in each maps to fight for, now we will fight more than we drain. Speaking from an attacker's perspective.

The idea itself is good. But the fact that we're about to lose half map is the deal breaker. There should be a balance.

other than that,the less camps there is to fight for means the area that needs defending will be much smaller for attackers,making the outnumbered minority forced to fight in a smaller area against a foe that outnumbers them,there is a big difference fighting over 4-5 maps and fighting over an entire map,an entire map means defenders will split themselves making weak points for attackers to exploit,but less gates means less area's to defend making the defender's concentrations bigger and stronger,i dont know how these updates are supposed to help smaller clans yet it just keeps making shit worse for them

 

[-Kiwi-]

other than that,the less camps there is to fight for means the area that needs defending will be much smaller for attackers,making the outnumbered minority forced to fight in a smaller area against a foe that outnumbers them,there is a big difference fighting over 4-5 maps and fighting over an entire map,an entire map means defenders will split themselves making weak points for attackers to exploit,but less gates means less area's to defend making the defender's concentrations bigger and stronger,i dont know how these updates are supposed to help smaller clans yet it just keeps making shit worse for them

typo mistake sorry i meant 4-5 gates not maps

 

[IParzivaLI]

You Devs are talking about smaller clans will have a chance to have gates but in the meantime there is a thing such as DV which holds random gates smaller clans cant apply on town hall that much because they wont have enough fame to apply and if they cant apply they wont have gates where is the point of this then?

 

[Pleiadian]

I cannot use DinoDollars to teleport to a vulnerable travel gate.

But I can use Teleport Matrix to teleport to a vulnerable gate.

Was this by intention?

 

[europe1]

occupation of buildings should be random from 1 to 3 buildings on each map, a bit longer time of attacking buildings, up to 2h would be good, for protection during the day 1h 30 min at night 1h 30 min attacking and the rest of time should suspend protection of buildings until 6 or 7 am, the dynamics of taking over buildings should also depend on the number of people attacking a building both during the day and at night (the more, the faster you can take over) depending on the time of day. During the day it should be faster because a lot of people are active, at night it should be longer because people sleep, there should also be 3 different colours (friend, clan and enemy) with the possibility of assigning enemy clans to the list of your own clan with the possibility of marking them (players on the map with the colour of the enemy) so that others can see who is who.

 

[Luka Patajac]

I cannot use DinoDollars to teleport to a vulnerable travel gate.

But I can use Teleport Matrix to teleport to a vulnerable gate.

Was this by intention?

Its teleport matrix you are suppose to be able to teleport anywhere but its unusable if person actually attack(gaining duelist in process) does it really help in long run when fights over buildings means either outlaw or duelist it can onyl give headstart but i dont see it as something that determines the battle for building itself

 

[Alewx]

Then the team really doesn't know the current situation on live servers, that is a fun part of the game lol

A situation where a bunch pf players is bullying everyone else into submission or otherwise get set onto a KOS list..... alliances using mutliple accounts and a blackmarket of selling accounts.
So the current situation is there are quite a number of players willing to do anything to just not play by the rules. Does that kind of fit?

 

[S19]

A situation where a bunch pf players is bullying everyone else into submission or otherwise get set onto a KOS list..... alliances using mutliple accounts and a blackmarket of selling accounts.

Solution for black market and multiple account.... when???

Finally you publicly acknowledge it, now do some witchcraft about the multi account.

you kinda prove that it can be solved overnight but you explicitly choose not to do anything about it.. multi account being the biggest plague in the game

 

[Luka Patajac]

You do realize how many % of such accounts are in the game right now?

 

[-Kiwi-]

A situation where a bunch pf players is bullying everyone else into submission or otherwise get set onto a KOS list..... alliances using mutliple accounts and a blackmarket of selling accounts.
So the current situation is there are quite a number of players willing to do anything to just not play by the rules. Does that kind of fit?

hopefully we see some changes to that,but i dont think these updates are doing anything to even help that

 

[Alewx]

Solution for black market and multiple account.... when???

Finally you publicly acknowledge it, now do some witchcraft about the multi account.

you kinda prove that it can be solved overnight but you explicitly choose not to do anything about it.. multi account being the biggest plague in the game

Proof? Where?

 

[Highway]

The idea itself is good. But the fact that we're about to lose half map is the deal breaker. There should be a balance.

The amount of buildings per server is alreay configured so that large servers will have almost all buildings available and the smallest servers will have ~25 buildings to own/attack/defend. But we will monitor this once this is live. Is difficult to estimate how it will really turn out on "live" conditions.

Here you can see the townhall activity counters for each server from the last townhall period.(14 days) They should match a valid user activity on those servers.

 

[-Kiwi-]

The amount of buildings per server is alreay configured so that large servers will have almost all buildings available and the smallest servers will have ~25 buildings to own/attack/defend. But we will monitor this once this is live. Is difficult to estimate how it will really turn out on "live" conditions.

Here you can see the townhall activity counters for each server from the last townhall period.(14 days) They should match a valid user activity on those servers.

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is basing the townhall seat an accurate representation of how many ppl are active in such server? if i am not mistaken doesnt the townhall give seats based on people applying? there could be people that are active but not applying

 

[Alewx]

is basing the townhall seat an accurate representation of how many ppl are active in such server? if i am not mistaken doesnt the townhall give seats based on people applying? there could be people that are active but not applying

It is a semi accurate measurement, as just using the amount of players would lead to obvious issues. but as buildings that can be attacked is linked to fame and therefor the townhall, it is kind of the next best thing.

 

[Highway]

Solution for black market and multiple account.... when???

Finally you publicly acknowledge it, now do some witchcraft about the multi account.

you kinda prove that it can be solved overnight but you explicitly choose not to do anything about it.. multi account being the biggest plague in the game

You do realize how many % of such accounts are in the game right now?

We know that this is an issue in Dinostorm. Usually the best way to solve the multi accounting is to adjust the game that it does not give any benefits to do so. Believe it or not but with the upcoming update we hope that will get better as just passively draining without acually playing will hopefully not work out anymore. In addition we have clear phases when attacks are possible and there is no need to constantly maintenance the buildings with supplies.

But apart from the gameplay changes we have some additional technical solution that should help this issue as well.

 

[S19]

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Next year we will see those dead server be shutting down due to the fact that it's too costly to run servers with no activity there.

 

[-Kiwi-]

It is a semi accurate measurement, as just using the amount of players would lead to obvious issues. but as buildings that can be attacked is linked to fame and therefor the townhall, it is kind of the next best thing.

yes but there could be the fact that although there are 40 members active in a clan,only 2 of those member apply for elections because the clan is focusing them,its very inaccurate and unfair to use such a measurement option to make dv hold gates,since a server could be highly active but not many applying for elections at the same time waiting their turn

 

[Alewx]

Next year we will see those dead server be shutting down due to the fact that it's too costly to run servers with no activity there.

You are twisting the activity measurement of the townhall to scale it with the actuall active players; that are to different things.

 

[Luka Patajac]

yes but there could be the fact that although there are 40 members active in a clan,only 2 of those member apply for elections because the clan is focusing them,its very inaccurate and unfair to use such a measurement option to make dv hold gates,since a server could be highly active but not many applying for elections at the same time waiting their turn

Would you want it for them to measure activity and amount of builds dv takes away by for example how many players are active in conflict phase be it by defending or attacking instead?

 

[-Kiwi-]

You are twisting the activity measurement of the townhall to scale it with the actuall active players; that are to different things.

isnt that the same thing the devs are trying to do?

 

[Alewx]

yes but there could be the fact that although there are 40 members active in a clan,only 2 of those member apply for elections because the clan is focusing them,its very inaccurate and unfair to use such a measurement option to make dv hold gates,since a server could be highly active but not many applying for elections at the same time waiting their turn

That kinda goes back to the shadown army argument, doesn't it.
But you also already give kind of the answer yourself. If the clans would rather than still pushing age old sherifflists for certain particular players and actually act more fairly one the matrics that the clan statistics provide give out fame and enable players in the townhall, things would actually change :O

 

[-Kiwi-]

Would you want it for them to measure activity and amount of builds dv takes away by for example how many players are active in conflict phase be it by defending or attacking instead?

in an ideal world,dv shouldnt take gates but i guess that could be a good measurement?

 

[-Kiwi-]

That kinda goes back to the shadown army argument, doesn't it.
But you also already give kind of the answer yourself. If the clans would rather than still pushing age old sherifflists for certain particular players and actually act more fairly one the matrics that the clan statistics provide give out fame and enable players in the townhall, things would actually change :O

if you give content to people who already have sheriff,than that could change too

 

[cOsMiNN]

I feel like DV holding gates makes it waaaaaaaay harder for people attacking to gain something, take this screenshot as an example
My clan has 10-20 members active, and only 4-5 buildings are vulnerable, while the attackers have 5-10 people at max. Even if they were to attack all at once, they wouldn't be able to get a single building because numbers still play the huge part, and ''closing'' the possibility to attack every gate, makes the building holders need to focus on way less defense. I get that it won't be the same in the live servers, as it will scale with activity, but I still think it needs to be kept in mind.

 

[Pleiadian]

It is a semi accurate measurement, as just using the amount of players would lead to obvious issues. but as buildings that can be attacked is linked to fame and therefor the townhall, it is kind of the next best thing.

To have the election system and the Sites directly linked to the TownHall application is a massive risk you are undertaking for the game.

Dinostorm does not have any good content for players who are already Sheriff. So anyone who already won their Rex/ Sheriff will be less and less active.

There's also the existing problem that you cannot retain any new players that joins the game. So you are constantly leaking new possible paying customers.

If someday the number of players joining the town hall decreases (I can already see it happen), that would result in a massive drop in player activity, eventually revenue.