Bully's

[Helper]

First of all let me say that this is one of the best free games I have come a crossed. I have tried a lot. You've got a good thing going here. Good Luck with it. However..... I have a complaint and suggestion. sorry, but it needs to be said by someone again.
I have seen other complaints about the upper clans the one I saw was complaining about bullying and mention Cutters clan so why hasn't he or u guys done something about it. Stated in the complaint I saw, John Cutter was the one supposedly doing the bullying and u came to his defense and said, something to the nature of. "I'm sure that if you were to ask them or him directly it would stop." How! how can you contact anyone, let alone a Clan leader? there's no confidential msg system set up, and they should be responsible for their members I even tried that WHISPER option, only you guys and God know's what that does. (no explaination)
This is what happened to me I am a level 4. I was just trying to complete a quest in the forest and was hit hard from a level 10 player (cutters clan) over and over again. Well normally I would have just left, but I needed to pick up the things I dropped when I died, also I wanted to know WHY? So I asked him directly (using World chat) (like u suggested) just before he attacked me again, even then I didn't get a reply other than him bragging to a fellow clan member how he took me out cause he didn't want to share the quest payoff with me. and that he will do it to any lwr lvl player that trys !!!! it was a BIG payoff too, 512exp and 56 of the dino upgrade things. (can't think of the name duh).
In conclusion here is my suggestion: to help protect innocents is that a higher level player should NOT be able to attack the lower level players unless attacked first, then by all means defend away and kill the little guy if they are stupid enough to take them on. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the pvp player they just need to use some discretion and play with other pvp players.
What I'm saying is that there needs to be some kind of buffer or points lost when they attack an innocent for no reason, remember these are just innocent players trying to complete quests and enjoy the game too. These Bully's are attacking us because it is an easy way to get their pvp's #'s up, lets face it, they are attacking pretty much a totally defenseless players AND are being rewarded to do it. My only conclusion to that is, like all bullies they can't fight someone around their own level well, not alone anyway. Thanks for listening.

 

[Nicolettee]

This is what happened to me I am a level 4. I was just trying to complete a quest in the forest and was hit hard from a level 10 player (cutters clan) over and over again. Well normally I would have just left, but I needed to pick up the things I dropped when I died, also I wanted to know WHY? So I asked him directly (using World chat) (like u suggested) just before he attacked me again, even then I didn't get a reply other than him bragging to a fellow clan member how he took me out cause he didn't want to share the quest payoff with me. and that he will do it to any lwr lvl player that trys !!!! it was a BIG payoff too, 512exp and 56 of the dino upgrade things. (can't think of the name duh).

Look you should be doing quests in dinoville at lvl4. Do not go into the woods because all you do is join a high level quest and you make it impossible to finish, you are simply deadweight that's why you get killed. It is extremely annoying when super low level players join high lvl quests so as a general rule if you can do the quest solo join in or if you get invited. Otherwise shoot a little and leave so actual players can finish it you get your reward regardless.

 

[Senji]

to help protect innocents is that a higher level player should NOT be able to attack the lower level players unless attacked first

I cannot even begin to express how much I agree with this. I myself have been a victim of relentless trolling by higher level players, and you're right. Lower levels are defenseless. As of right now, the PvP system seems more like an annoyance than a fun aspect of the game.

Look you should be doing quests in dinoville at lvl4. Do not go into the woods because all you do is join a high level quest and you make it impossible to finish, you are simply deadweight that's why you get killed. It is extremely annoying when super low level players join high lvl quests so as a general rule if you can do the quest solo join in or if you get invited. Otherwise shoot a little and leave so actual players can finish it you get your reward regardless.

First of all, this could have been said in a politer tone. Lower level players are not dead weight, in my opinion. Every little bit helps. Also, "actual players"? Everyone started out as a low level. That's the point of the game. Work hard, have fun, level up.

I am always happy when someone joins a group quest I'm doing, lower level or not, because I know I could always use the help and those lower level players could use the rewards. Everyone wins!

 

[Helper]

[Look you should be doing quests in dinoville at lvl4. Do not go into the woods because all you do is join a high level quest and you make it impossible to finish, you are simply deadweight that's why you get killed. It is extremely annoying when super low level players join high lvl quests so as a general rule if you can do the quest solo join in or if you get invited. Otherwise shoot a little and leave so actual players can finish it you get your reward regardless.*]

First of all I was invited on this particular quest, and it was a level 5 quest, and they weren't even playing this quest until they walked by and saw us playing it, then joined in our quest and started killing us off. Tell me why a level 15 player is playing a level 5 quest if their so awesome. It is obvious that these players can't beat their own level players or quests so they kill us to score pvp points and steal our quest pay offs. This is why DinoStorm needs to do something regarding pvp playing.

Also If u look in the quest guide you will see.... it says to help 10 people in Mokon and Goldfields both.... so your info is wrong. U should invest more time in researching before you offer advise or opinions. I had no problem finishing the quests offered there. Each citizen of both Goldfields and Mokon are for different level players. So again, wrong! We do belong there as much as high level players... they just need to go to their appropriate citizen to find their level quest, then they wont have us getting in their way.

Thanks again, and thanks for everyone's opinions.
Helper

 

[Kaceelee]

Lower level players are not dead weight, in my opinion. Every little bit helps. Also, "actual players"? Everyone started out as a low level. That's the point of the game. Work hard, have fun, level up.

I am always happy when someone joins a group quest I'm doing, lower level or not, because I know I could always use the help and those lower level players could use the rewards. Everyone wins!
Senji


I agree with Senji as stated above, no way are the lower level players dead weight and I couldn't have said it any better. Also Helper is right too. It does state in the players guide to complete levels in the Mokon and Goldfields.

 

[Nicolettee]

It's ok lads, you will understand what I was talking about if you become a higher level. Until then just keep playing.

 

[Senji]

It's ok lads, you will understand what I was talking about if you become a higher level. Until then just keep playing.

Not really. I respect everyone in game, and if possible, I take out the bullies myself.

For instance, I saw a level 2 beating up a level 1. The level 1 was asking for him to stop, but he didn't. So, I helped the level 1 by defeating the level 2. I didn't hang around and troll the guy, I just helped get him off the level 1's back.

Another example is a very polite level 17 I met in Goldfields. He offered to help anyone who needed assistance getting loot back if a troll was waiting at their dropped items pile. Not all high levels are jerks. This particular high level player has earned my respect, highly in fact.

 

[Mattisx]

If there is one lvl 10 person doing a lvl 10 quest, the quest will spawn enemies that should be approximately killable for that one person.

When more people join that quest, more monsters spawn. The monsters should have a strength equivalent to what however many lvl 10 people have joined. This means every person who joined is assumed to be at least as strong as a lvl 10. When a lvl 4 person joins a lvl 10 quest, they make the quest harder for everyone else because they will have to pick up the leftovers that the lower lvl person is incapable of dealing with. I hope my explanation makes sense; if there's anything I need to be more specific about, I'm willing to elaborate further.

Conclusion: Low lvl people make quests harder for high lvl people doing high lvl quests.

 

[wingmich23]

is their any prevention not to be killed by player that higher than my level so that i can maximize my leveling up? anyway,, plz make some rules that categories pvp to the lvl they acquire.. thz.

 

[Mattisx]

is their any prevention not to be killed by player that higher than my level so that i can maximize my leveling up? anyway,, plz make some rules that categories pvp to the lvl they acquire.. thz.

Dinoville doesn't have pvp; stay and train there until you are ready to venture out into the dangerous pvp zones.

 

[Hyenasaurus]

Mattisx, sadly that doesn't work very much when you've got to complete the chapter missions that, precisely, force you to go to the pvp zones in order to advance further. Being able to kill the nearby threatening mobs is not exactly reassuring when everyone else can obliterate you.

My advice is get into (or make) a trustworthy group of friends or a clan of around your same level and organize yourselves to remain nearby and watch each other's backs, and gang up as one on anyone who attacks any of you.

 

[mjprogue]

Ok..so why do you "have to complete the chapter missions"?

Is there a reason a player has to run off into the higher level areas immediately to complete these?

No there isn't. An intelligent player would go to Mokon or GF and after witnessing the first mobs, immediately turn around and head back to Dinoville if those mobs were even a single level higher than them.

As for this "every little bit" nonsense...all talk like that does is prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea how the game works. Now thats fine, everyone has to learn some time...but don't get on the boards and make declarative statements like that when you clearly have no idea how the quest mechanics work.

Fact: Most group quests get harder for each additional player involved.

Fact: The difficulty does not increase an amount balanced to the level of player involved...it scales to the level of the quest. So when a level 5 joins a level 10 on a level 10 quest, he just made that quest nearly impossible for the level 10 to complete. The level 10 now has to deal with twice as many enemies while getting virtually no assitance from the level 5.

Now if, as the original poster claims, this level 10 player joined his quest while he was already on it, then I would agree they were out of line. But in my experience this is rarely the case. What usually happens is these low levels leech onto escorts with higher levels on them and try to get free rewards. I am usually all too willing to assist lower level palyers and will absolutely attack players I see ganking lowbies...BUT I also have no issue attacking someone trying to leech off of my quest...and making the quest incredibly difficult or impossible in the process. I will try to tell them to get lost first...even explaining why they need to leave...but that rarely works. All you usually get is whining about how the chapter told them to go here...blah blah blah. Well...I played the same game as you and I can tell you with 100% certainty that the chapter in no way suggests you go running off to die countless times doing impossible quests in an area you aren't prepared for.

Ignore players with more experience at your own peril...

Level in Dinoville and then when ready (level 6 can work but a smart person will wait until at least level 8) move to the other areas. Then stick to the parts of those maps where you can actually be useful. Good rule of thumb is if you can solo a random critter in an area...without potions...you might be ok.

Lastly, I am in Cutter's clan and I sincerely doubt your claim that the level 10 jumped into your quest and started attacking you for no reason. I have never seen a member of our clan ganking lowbies EXCEPT when they were members of one of our enemy clans. There are some downright despicable clans out there and some of them have gone so far that we will attack their members on sight. If you made the bad descision to join one of these, I strongly suggest you find another one to join or accept that you are basically a villain and will be treated as such. If you aren't sure if your clan qualifies then it probably doesn't...those scum clans know who they are...

 

[mjprogue]

Message sent instead of posting to boards...

Clearly you were addressing me in this rude statement. Unlike trolls, I will not tease you on a public board; I have come to your private message inbox, as this conflict need not be brought to light.

Short and sweet: Why insult my intelligence in a public place? It only makes yourself look bad and rude, and moreover, a jerk.

Extended: Was it really necessary to make yourself look like a public troll AND a jerk? I try to create a good reputation for myself; clearly you need to learn about such. Maybe I'm not an expert on game mechanics, but in my book, everyone has the same right to help in a group quest, regardless of level.

It's about respect, which you seem to have none of. Such a shame.

Next, I will address your statement that I should not post on boards. You are no better than anyone else, and your reputation will suffer if you continue to think that you are. I have as much right to post on a public forum as anyone else.

Maybe you're having a bad day, I don't know. I probably never will know. But this gives you no room for taking it out on other people, especially ones who are trying to make the environment fun and challenging for those looking for it. Again, you are ruining your good name.

All in all, you were unnecessarily rude to me for posting my humble opinion. I had not insulted anyone in what I said, though you jumped right at my throat.

As a finale to my little rant here, you have ruined your good name in my book. Maybe that's not a big deal to you, since you may not care if people dislike or even hate you. Everyone, including myself, would appreciate it if you'd stop the trolling and learn respect. An eye for an eye only causes war.

Ooooookay...

Not sure where you read an insult to your intelligence in there. I do know I said you shouldn't be posting about things you know nothing...and that stands true.

You comment about how every little bit helps is patently false...you literally have no idea what you're talking about and I said so...in pretty non-hostile terms I might add...continuing to post things like that simply encourages others to believe the nonsense you are spewing with an artificial expertise...and that is bad for those players and the game as a whole.

I do not "troll"...I simply say what needs to be said. I have wasted dozens of hours holding the hands of people too stupid (yes I said it) to know they are in over their heads in this game. Since the devs do not want to institute any requirements to alleviate the problem, it falls to the players to do it themselves. Since calmly explaining the issue rarely works...all you usually get is whining about how the quest "requires" them to be here and continued harrassment...yes it is harrassment to jump on an overpowered quest and expect others to carry you...all I'm left with is attacking them to drive them off. I do it with no guilt after warnings are ignored. I come here and take a heavy handed approach when I see noobs posting on this topic for one very simple reason...maybe that heavy handedness here will avoid me being forced to kill you repeatedly online.

Here, in a nutshell...is the warning again...
Stay away from ANY quest in which you can not kill numerous mobs by yourself. "Helping" by doing pathetically tiny amounts of damage to one mob while level appropriate characters are killing 3 or 4 is not actually helpful by any intelligent person's definition. You double the number of mobs by your simple presence and if you can not handle that extra heat yourself, then you are playing irresponsibly and effectively "attacking" that player with your runoff mobs. That player attacking you to drive you away is likely the only way he is going to be able to complete the quest you interfered with.

If that warning is lost on you fine...have fun dieing...alot.

 

[flyingknight]

This is what i mean. Moken woods has been TAKEN OVER by lvl 13 and up people I MEAN COME ON When i go to Golden fields I SEE LESS lvl 13 and over. They SHOULD add a lvl thing to the area's like dinoville is ANY lvl. Moken woods would have like lvl 4 to lvl 10 AND not be a outlaw allowed area due to it being the 2nd place you would go so it would be peaceful and duelist area only. Then Golden Fields would be lvl 11 to lvl 17 AND be a peaceful,duelist,outlaw allowed area so people can get used to the modes 1 by 1.

 

[vancechristopher]

Im a level 13 Player
lvl 9 Brach + lvl 10 Armore Implnt
lvl 11 Hammer + lvl 6 damage tec
Server America One
Avatar: vancechristopher

Im a rather well known player to the noobs. You can offten find me doing level 2,3 quests in DV.Im also one of the first members of the gang Dino Bandits and we have a strong alliance with John Cutters clan and i know him to be a very good guy. he is very honest kind and has many times helped me out when i was a low level. So I think you must have the wronge guy.

 

[arachyd]

I have to disagree with some of what is posted here. I have seen and have been the victim of higher level players killing off lower level players for no reason many times. There was no quest involved. Simply killing various things to pick up what's dropped to earn dino dollars has no effect on anyone's quest difficulty. There is no reason for this bullying whatsoever and it needs to stop. It's giving the game a bad name and discouraging people from playing it.

 

[Nicolettee]

I have to disagree with some of what is posted here. I have seen and have been the victim of higher level players killing off lower level players for no reason many times. There was no quest involved. Simply killing various things to pick up what's dropped to earn dino dollars has no effect on anyone's quest difficulty. There is no reason for this bullying whatsoever and it needs to stop. It's giving the game a bad name and discouraging people from playing it.

Well there is an incentive as achievements require to kill players for example 50 kills for damage tech or something like that.

 

[arachyd]

This happens in Dinovill too.

 

[Sentior]

For my opinion - I enjoy PvP. I sometimes attack people on sight for the fun of it.

Several of the quests in Goldfields and Mokon get harder if more people join. Since i'm impatient, i want to complete my quest as fast as i can. If that includes killing every low leveled player i think might be doing that quest, so that they leave and less enemies spawn, i won't hesitate.

If you want to goto Mokon or Goldfields fine - but be ready to PvP if needed.

 

[arachyd]

I think one solution to the problem would be an option to lock the quest from being joined by others if you are the first player to enter it. I don't kill other players for fun but it is a pain when I'm happily doing a quest by myself, testing my limits, and 7 or 8 people jump on in blocking my aim and reducing the payoff. It totally spoils it. The single-player quests are usually not as much fun.

 

[TesterVersionOne]

For my opinion - I enjoy PvP. I sometimes attack people on sight for the fun of it.

Several of the quests in Goldfields and Mokon get harder if more people join. Since i'm impatient, i want to complete my quest as fast as i can. If that includes killing every low leveled player i think might be doing that quest, so that they leave and less enemies spawn, i won't hesitate.

If you want to goto Mokon or Goldfields fine - but be ready to PvP if needed.

I absolutely agree with Sentior, if a low lvled player wants to go into a PvP zone, they need to be ready for PvP. I get killed all the time and I don't whine about it. (Well, maybe a little, who wants to die?) Death is part of the game. If you only had 1 life this game would be completely different. We have unlimited lives people, whats the big deal?

 

[Kavon]

I second the post and the quote in the post above. I killed a few players and sometimes I do kill a few low level players to see their reaction to getting randomly killed since I know everyone will get that quite a lot in the future.

If they can't handle getting PVP'd and dying, then they shouldn't be in Mokon Woods or Goldfields. But of course, everyone is different and is in different moods to react to PvPing and so on. Earlier I was questing to level up and needed to go to DV, and an outlaw tried to kill me while I was calming just walking through and towards the entrance with loot, luckily I survived on the way to DV and of course I wasn't in the right mood about that since that player just kills everyone they see passing by their spawn which is at the entrance.

 

[DinoPal]

I would recommend leveling up your dino then going after the person that killed you.
Somebody killed me once, two days later I had much fun with him

 

[GunPaladinhgwt]

"When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you".... We all walk a fine line in this game mostly, I've had lvl 3 players attack me with lvl 1 guns out in the goldfields, I just let them, and respond in chat going "are you done yet???" They aren't doing any damage to me. On the other side I've been hammered by the worst in this game. Today for me the abyss stared back, and I failed handling a situation. So it wasn't my better day on this game. Mainly it is the suspense out in the Goldfields and Mokon that you're going to get hammered, That's a certain amount of risk. Now with the developers peppering both areas with Bandits it adds to that suspense, leaving people more jumpy as they turn corners say for example with Mokon and it everliving fog... Which all this makes the game more interesting, but for some more time consuming...

GunPaladinhgwt

 

[DinoRider]

This ins't a new topic to this forum, this sort of thing happens all the time. I have been spawn camped at Mokon Woods, and have been ganged up on by Outlaws at the Goldfields, so for me no place is safe except for Dinoville. Anyway, if you go out to the Goldfields or Mokon you are already putting yourself in danger of being killed because these are PVP areas and anyone can kill you. My best suggestion is to stay in Dinoville until you think you are strong enough to be able to fight back if someone does attack you. Maybe making your own clan and gaining members would also help, as you can bring your clan with you when you are thinking of leaving Dinoville.

 

[SkyLander]

Oh look apparently the wrong PVP of this game takes millennia.
And developers what have done? I think so far nothing really bad.
I hope they realize that use GM's to be hunting (badass) players is not the smartest solution.

 

[stephsunn]

its not really bullying u if they kill you and block off ur spawns,
everyone should get used to this happening to them since its the only way for them to force you to go back to dv, and thankfully away..

spoken from an advanced players perspective, low level players who dont have enough experience to know that however hard they try they will not be able to hold a claim for long, or complete high level quests..

advanced players dont hav to look after new players, if we harraass you, then shout out to a clan member and get them to get u back..

the biggest help for new players is to join a clan, and a pretty powerful one to,

revenge seems very popular in this game and i dont mind a clan war here and there, but only if its fair

 

[Ultracarnex]

I know this is a VERY late reply, but...

to help protect innocents is that a higher level player should NOT be able to attack the lower level players unless attacked first

I cannot even begin to express how much I agree with this. I myself have been a victim of relentless trolling by higher level players, and you're right. Lower levels are defenseless. As of right now, the PvP system seems more like an annoyance than a fun aspect of the game.

NoiseFury is a relatively low-leveled player but is able to kick butt like crazy. So does that mean people that are at par with his fighting skills (around lv20) are not allowed to kill him?

 

[mokutobunshi]

Hello this is mokutobunshi here sorry to but in but you cant just stop players of higher lvl shooting those of a lower one. for EX: one of my freinds has seen and i in an ocasion or two that a lvl 14 brac can be stronger than a lvl 20 carno if used right. so youd have to calculate players gun and dino ability and all of the sub classes like armor or vitality implant. And this even though happend to me two days ago all you can do is fight back if you have a high enough lvl caln to back you up you can somtimes even benifit from it.
like if they attacked you because you were shooting what they were in a mission you clan will not only defend you but you can all benifit from the reward. i am not an official on this game but i am expirienced and the getting attacked is what makes this game so on the edge regards to the designers one of the best 3D mmo's ive ever seen.

 

[lolchrisgarone]

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